Planning Board Regular

Good evening and thank you for joining us as I call to order uh the town of Pittsburgh planning board regular meeting for Monday, September 21st, 2026. Uh we'll certify we do have uh all in attendance. Uh we do have a quorum. Uh has everybody had a chance to go over the agenda. And are there any modifications like to have made? If not, can I get a motion to approve the agenda?

Make a motion. We'll approve the agenda as is. Have

a second. Second. Second. Christine Beard. Thank you. Uh all in favor say I. I. I. Agenda adopted. Um, planning board attendance. Uh, Miss Pard uh did not attend our August 17 meeting. Do I have a motion uh to designate that as uh excused or unexcused? If

it helps you to know I was at a work conference out of state. I approve

to be um to be excused.

Second.

Motion to excuse by Miss Alustin, second by Mr. Busker. All in favor say I.

I. And on to the minutes for that August 17 meeting. Uh does anybody have anything that they would like any modifications they'd like made on that? If not, I'll accept a motion to approve.

I'll make a motion to approve the minutes.

All right. Motion by Miss Alston. Do I have a second? Second by Alan Wilson. All in favor say I.

I. And we will move to our development

services department updates. Chair Lord. Good evening. Everyone's doing well today. Um give you a couple updates. The planning director is on board and will be here next month. He's at a class this evening. So you'll meet him for the first time at the next meeting. um the October BOC there should be the new um selections going up for so those applications should be at the board of commission meetings in October. There is a UDO discussion um open to everyone on Monday the 28th at the town hall in the bottom section where the gym is. So that's been posted on the calendar and is still available. The conservation subdivision has gone through multiple updates and we have not released it yet for comment just because we're still making some modifications to the um the final out the outline. We haven't agreed on a couple of the incentives and we want to make sure that they're definitely significant. Um that includes everything from storm water to transportation pieces on it. And then one more thing, I apologize for that agenda going out so late. it actually we had it set and then we made a big modification to an item so then it went out after that but we want to make sure it was right so I do apologize for that.

Thank you. Thank you.

Um we will move to public comment period. We have nobody signed up for that. So unless anyone just missed the paper uh we will move on. Seeing no hands, I'm going to assume that is not the case. All right. To our first discussion item, uh presentation from Chadam Park on South Village section design plan.

Evening Smith with Park. Um make sure am I foring slides? answer you. So, I'm using the mouse. Oh, right there. Right there. The one right in front of me.

Sorry. Thank you. Um, first of all, we uh appreciate the opportunity to provide this presentation for you. This is um obviously a little different. This is our first section design plan. has been something I guess that's been anticipated for a while and we've talked haven't talked about these particular issues for about a year. Um so I'm going to start up start off first of all with uh introducing the group that we're partnering with with this plan Southern Land Company. I'm going to let give them a few minutes to introduce themselves to you. They'll do a better job than I will. Uh but I will say from our perspective and you know we've been around a lot of people but the quality of their work, quality of their character, their the time they spend with planning thought is second to none. And you know we've been around some pretty good people recently but you I hope you'll uh come to appreciate this the way we have with them. So we're glad for this opportunity to have you meet them just briefly here at the beginning. So thank you. Good evening, planning board. Uh my name is Brian Su with Southern Land Company. To my right has been Krenshaw. Um we uh we had the good fortune today of uh meeting with several uh folks from the town, uh several folks from the board of commissioners just to introduce ourselves before we were able to tonight. Um, our founder, Tim Downey,

uh, had an ear issue, so he had to go back early. Uh, so he sent his apologies. But, um, Ben and I will tell you a little bit about the company. We both, uh, have been really with the company from the very beginning. I've been with Southern Land for 25 years. I'm the president, chief operating officer. Ben Krenshaw heads up our design and landscape architecture group. Um, and we both started with the company to begin a master plan in Franklin, Tennessee. And we're going to try to do a very quick overview of the community to give you a little taste of how we go about things. Um, so, um, every developer says they're unique and different. Um, I've been again with with this company for 25 years and, uh, what we do is different and, uh, we don't do a lot of projects. um we take our time and one that we're working on now has been uh 25 years. We have five more years to go. So when we uh go into a community, uh we go all in and we have in-house uh services for everything that we do from engineering to landscape architecture to architecture. Um and we go into a community and and we're there for a long time. So we've been studying Pittsburgh. We love the town of Pittsburgh. We love the area, what Chadam Parka has become and becoming. Um, so we've been studying this for for a couple of years now. So, we're very excited to be here. So, thank you for letting us come and introduce ourselves. Um, we're not driven on volume. We're a privately held company. Uh, we don't have public earnings and and quarterly report uh reports that we have to do to Wall Street. So, we're privately held. Um, and uh we Like I said, we go all in. We have full uh vertical integration. Um and then if you can click the first slide. Um this slide captures a lot even

though it uh is only three pictures. Um

we promise it's not a uh

it is real photos from our community uh outside of Nashville uh called Franklin. Very similar to Pittsboro. Great historic town. Uh and we do tree lighting ceremonies. We coordinate with the town of Franklin on Fourth of July events uh together with them. Uh so this community where the Fourth of July uh celebration is happening, it's about 3,300 homes and another 300 to go. Um and everything we do is making and bringing people together. Um so Ben, you can turn the slide. Um so I touched on it uh earlier. These are some of the places that we do business. We started with one community. Um we now have uh another side of the business that also does high-rise, mid-rise, and uh garden communities throughout the country. U but we also have the master planning side. But these are some of the integrated companies within uh Southernland Company. Um so we start with infrastructure grading utility. uh Ben and his team, I think we have 30 landscape architects and single family architects. We design every home. So if a builder is building with us, we perform the the CDs. We do the landscape plan for every home so that we get variety within the community. Um horiculture, we have our own green houses, we have our own installation crew. Ben and his crew uh will go pick the type of trees and which trees and the species of trees so that over time uh we have canopies uh and uh I think you'll see in a few of the pictures results of of what it looks like after a few decades. Um so we start with master planning. These are some of the town centers uh that we have within our communities. We try to incorporate um the the village to look as much like

the residential. We talked earlier about uh we 23 years ago we studied Pinehurst and what they did to integrate residential scale commercial and village buildings into the community. So these are communities that that we have built. Um and um we just had a uh porch fest where we had 15,000 people in uh from the greater community. We had music events on 45 porches through the community and then a big event at the end. Um go ahead then. Um this is this is the village center. Uh some of the uh we have a a large um affluent reused pond in the the very beginning of the community. This is um and then the village flanks around it. This is a picture that's worth pointing out. Uh Harris ter um Kroger Publix all wanted to come in a long time ago. And um we really didn't want to put uh the parking for the grocery store right out on the main road. So if you can barely see in the top left um

I can't point on your TV down there.

Up here.

Yes. So, we put the parking behind uh our first uh residential uh commercial mixeduse building so that the parking is is somewhat second it is secondary to what the pedestrian and the the walkability of the town center looks like. Um and then that was a quick fly through some of the other things that we do. Um we we talked earlier about uh hedge rows in front of every house. Um, do we have any pictures of that, Ben?

Working on it.

No. Um, so in front of every house, we we try to have a a connection between the sidewalk, the house, and the landscaping to where uh it's just very welcoming and uh walkable and we try to pull everybody into a front yard

neighborhood um rather than just a backyard. So, um, this philosophy kind of goes throughout the community. Um, and there's a better picture of it. Um, and so every every streetscape we put up on the wall and we make sure that the roofing and the massing and the uh the houses all go uh well together, the colors and um the streetscaping is is prioritized. Um, another picture of West Haven uh open space. I'm going to let Ben talk a little bit about open spaces. This is a big part of what this group does and you can tell a little bit about this one.

So, it's it's really again Ben Krenshaw. Um it's it's key to integrating the open spaces and trail networks into the master plan so that they're usable. We don't we don't see the success of of the our open spaces as just how much open space we have, but really how how they function and how uh people are attracted to them if they're well designed. So, uh, and it's also a a key part of what we do that we're very integrated to our property management and our sales teams so that we understand what people are wanting. We were talking about earlier today, who knew pickle ball was a thing like 10 years ago. We get that feedback and we try to respond really quickly to to getting that into our master plan communities. Um, wellness is a big focus of ours, especially for our amenities. And so we're really looking for always looking for that feedback of how to enhance people's lives. And again, as Brian said, uh I've always thought of Nashville and Raleigh as very close to each other. If you've ever been to Raleigh, it should feel very or ever been to Nashville, it should be very familiar to you. Same types of trees, same types of plants. A lot of the temperatures are really close to each other except for this last week or so when it's been so hot. Um, but this is a very representative example of what can be uh here at Cadam. So, I'll go back to and I I'll just touch on

the way, as you know, this is the uh this is the only section where golf is permitted within Chattam Park. And so we have partnered with Tom Fazio Design who is probably one of the leading golf course architects in the world that uh we've been working with them for about six months to really get the routing right. We kind of have to take a step at the time and and level of detail. But um I think what you hear from all of us for every little aspect is that we focus on quality. We focus on execution. We we built a team as a company to really pull all of those things together. So every little aspect of what we're doing here, we're really focusing on uh or producing a very high quality product that everyone here will be uh happy with. So I think that's it for us.

I think it is.

Yeah. And I think it's your turn next. So again, if you have any questions for us, we'll be back up here. Um I'm going to come back up. We'll talk through very specifically what our proposal is uh for our area and then look forward to answering any questions you might have. Thank you for your time.

Thank you.

I think that's it. that and has been and Brian said, they're going to be talking more spe about the specifics of the plan itself when we get into the master plan of what's going on. What I'm going to be talking about is more uh the process that we settled on since this is our first one. No one's necessarily familiar with that yet and we're going to be dealing with this a few times as we go along in the future. Um secondly, uh infrastructure, other things that are kind of going on outside of what they would be doing to set up their ability to do what they're doing. So just wanted to cover those things briefly. Um

the process for this section, this whole section design plan concept, if you look at um the requirements of every other developer, every other site in Pittsburgh, you have zoning that starts off the process. Zoning enables you to then determine what your uses are and then you go on and submit a preliminary plat or a site plan. Two steps. Chattam Park. Um I I don't know if it's because it's larger or what the reason is, but the process was adopted a little differently. Chattam Park zoning. Got the zoning. Next step, go through a small area plan where you provide a little bit more detail, a little bit more look at the region in terms of providing infrastructure or roads or whatever. Uh that was step two. Step three, now we have section design plan where we again give more detail. So we'll be getting into preliminary concepts of what's going to go on with these sections and then after we get through that then we have the preliminary plat where you get more into detailed design, detail grading, detail engineering. So um we have additional steps here and part of that was in response to the public comments last year about wanting to more transparency in the in the planning process and the design process. So you'll hear more detail about what these guys are going to be doing as we go through this, but that's that's sort of how we got here today. Um, so the the first thing I wanted to get into then was what's going on from an infrastructure standpoint. Many of you may know this. You Chattam Parkway, you've probably seen that it's under construction in different areas. So we're talking about the South Village here with this piece. Um it's the primary connector between uh highway 64 business and 15501. So basically if you're looking at the clock from 3:00 to 6:00 fills in that and and then begins enabling the south village to be developed. That's under construction now and scheduled to be complete in uh second quarter of 27. So

uh less than 9 months from now. That's something you may not know. So it's coming quickly. they've because of you know weather's been hurting us with our lawns at home but it's been helping roadway construction. Um next this next piece of big road is South Village Way and that's you can the next blue line on the screen here that's extending kind of from northwest to southeast is the primarily residential collector that's serving the south village that will eventually extend all the way down to what is it Gum Springs Road. Um now in this case just Again, this is the first this enables us to get traffic or to get construction traffic really into the into the area. But normally we right now obviously no homes, no cars. We would normally be building a two-lane road. We're starting out we will build a four-lane roadway from the beginning just to so that that's a completed look and we the capacity is there for more traffic as we go on. But day one we would be building that. That's a separate project that's before uh development services right now for their review and we're reacting to their comments as we go along. Um next roadway is an extension of Charlie Brooks Road. We I think we've gotten approval for the name Serenity Place Way or as it goes into Chattam Park. Uh it extends from Monure Pittsburgh Road over to Gome Springs. So first phase will be from Monure Pittsburgh to South Village. So you'll basically be creating a loop there from Chattam Parkway, South Village Way, uh Serenity Place Way, and Bonair Pittsburgh that enables you then to get in and out of the area that's to be developed as we go along in the future. Um we'll talk more about transportation improvements because there will be more needed as development occurs and just so you understand that process. Uh next, water and sewer. was going this isn't a great slide to depict this but

um I think you're aware Tri River has now taken over responsibility for the utilities for water and sewer. Um, so we've been working with them on these various pieces, but first of all, very uh, everyone's familiar, I think, with what's going up on on up and down 15501 with a uh, in construction of a 36-inch force man from Sanford from Tri River uh, to Pittsburgh. What you may not know is that again, construction's gone pretty well with that. is now scheduled to complete uh just about a year from now, maybe a little bit less than a year from now, that that sewer would be in line and all of a sudden that's going to make all of your guys' lives crazier because there's going to be more things before you, more plans for review and so forth. But that all starts with sewer. Uh secondly that we are doing as part of the Chattam Parkway construction, we've got a 12-in water line that's going in with that that gets water from your existing plant until we're further along with Tri River improvements. Um and that basically is completed with the timeline of Chattam Parkway. Maybe a little bit behind that, but for the most part when Chattam Parkway opens, that water line opens. And then the bigger line is another 36-in water line coming from Tri River um up Monure Pittsboro Road and that is scheduled to begin construction in the second quarter of 27. So about six let's say 6 months from now construction and that's the that again is serving the larger system say than just Chattam Park. It's u more of the area and dealing with much needed improvements from an infrastructure standpoint. Now, let's get to how we start with a with a section design plan. The first step is beginning with a concept plan. Um, in this case, and you've had this

information, so I'm not sure how much you've looked at this before, obviously kind of had it long, but the we start with the the cover sheet of the submitt that gives a very the location of this STP of this section design plan. So, it's outlined with the red clouding, the larger area there in the center. The two areas to the left are two that have also been submitted that are but are behind this in process with section 4.1 and section 4.3 to the to the west. Um, at this point, we're also identifying what the maximum number of dwelling units would be for these sections, and it's approximately 3,500 units. if you just look at the pure what's what's allowed by zoning 3500 units. Um and then but at this time we also identify that we will not be going to the entire 3500. We're only going to be looking at approximately 1750 which is about half of that maximum allowed. That's what again this is a few months ago as we were walking our way through this process. Um, another piece of information that's identified on here, and I don't know if you can see the circles that are over to the eastern part of this lightly depict an area that covers portion of this plan area. Those are critical watershed overlay areas. And what's unique about them is they allow only 24% impervious surface build on upon area and two units an acre density. So it'll be less dense uh because of its proximity to to the um to Jordan. And then finally the a detail that impacts the design the ability to create a plan here is in the southern corner at the intersection of uh South Village Way and Serenity Way is a portion of the activity center that's located at this intersection. And that allows by by the smaller area plan and by the zoning that allows more more intense uses, more density um if if that occurred. And so that

rather than have them closer to say Ropes and Creek, that's it'll be anchored here primarily because of that determination of the small area plan and zoning. Now we go further. the plan begins to take shape based on knowing these pieces of information that we've had. Um it it informs us that we're beginning to make decisions again in a preliminary stand. We haven't started engineering yet. We have other than the perimeter adjacent roads. Um but Ben mentioned this se these two sections section one and se 2.1 and 2.2 to if you look at the permitted uses in Chattam Park's zoning, this is the only place that golf is allowed. Where else in Chattam Park? So, that's an important point. It's not like we could we're going to kind of kind of walk through the project and figure out where this is the only place that's allowed. So, obviously, we've been paying attention to this for a little while. And when we at the beginning back when we were creating different uh standards for development, one of the reasons that we have a 300 ft buffer vegetated buffer along ropes and creek sensitive waterway in town and we appreciate that without knowing that Goff would be there at that time. We thought it was very possible that it could be. So we went ahead and and establish that buffer along that edge. uh that's an important part of the environmental considerations for the golf course as we move on in terms of water quality and in terms of their maintenance practices and development practices. Um secondly then the as as they mentioned the golf routing took place um and open between that and the open space features that we just talked about along with the repairarian buffers that begins to inform you on where you should be placing neighborhoods where you should be placing different uses. So that be that was this uh next piece of information to get us to a point where we started creating this concept plan. Uh we were getting information from

Chadam County Schools. There's a letter on file. We have to do that as part of every section design plan that uh where we inform them of what's going on and they let us know whether they would want to see a school a school on this within these sections. They said we don't need one in these sections. We got another one we're looking at. We'll talk about later. But in this particular plan, there's no school site that they want. Um, we also had conversations about fire stations. That's another public infrastructure improvement and improvement um that is needed as we move through developments. Uh, at the at the time we did this, we had just given first of all, the town did a a study looking at where fire should go within the town. They had a outside consultant that determined there were four locations that they were looking at and related to us. There were two either in or around the north village and then two either in or around the south village. The one that this that's impact uh by this plan is one of the sites that they identified or location areas was over along Gum Springs Road on the absolute east side of of this planning area. So we gave them a variety of locations that we said just that what what do you what looks best for for you from a fire locating a fire department. they have they came back and that that's later in the process here but that that was um part of the process was sending that to them and we also started the planning of um and you may have be aware of some of this because we have four parks and um some greenways that we have had to be talking to the town about just about locations. Um, I'll talk about those more specifically in a second, but all of that information then is kind of put in the hopper here and helps you then to begin to create a plan. Um, the first and really the only park that is technically in this section design plan is a 50acre park. You can see kind of in

the center there that's a lighter green. uh that went through a process where the park advisory board and the town board ultimately agreed to the site location and we weren't looking for anything more than that. U as you can see in the narrative there the the design of the site KD's got a separate process that uh the town will be going through. It'll have its own timeline in terms of design and development and will be part of that but we won't be driving that. The town will be driving that and that'll be in your control. You'll be seeing more about that as we as we move forward. Um greenways we um this the small area plan we have a requirement for 20 mi of greenway in the south village. And so in the small area plan before we knew there was golf here and this is not looking at that in particular right now. asking an example I'm going to talk about in a second, but one of the sections was going through the golf course and we came to fairly quick agreement with staff and uh board members that we don't want the conflicts associated with running public greenway through a golf course and the danger and safety issues related to people getting hit by golf balls. Um, so what um we've at least settled on right now and I think it's a condition that the staff has put before you. I'll let them talk about more about that. But that this se this there's about 10,000 linear feet in that section out of our 20 miles. That's maybe 5% of the total um system mileage in the south that will be studied separately. And again, you guys will be part of that process as it goes on. would go to pair of just looking at what are the alternatives because it may not even be within the south village. It may be that we would like we that the town would prefer to take the money associated with that and put it towards a somewhat adjacent greenway in other projects near Chattam Park. But that's to be determined by by others. But what we do

know is one of the things we want to do and this is again along the eastern edge of this section design is that we're going to be doing this both here and on Monure Pittsburgh roads a different area but still trying to establish a look and but also provide connectivity on a road on two roads that don't have sidewalks that don't have multi-use trails and so we would be building a greenway further off the road behind the swailes that are associated with drainage of the roads and allowing connect allowing people to walk those roads without being in the roads. Now, that's assuming obviously it it works that we would have connectivity within our project. Um, in the future as other as other areas develop that would continue possibly, but that's not again we're doing this primarily for to give you a feel established placemaking just give a good feel of what it feels like on the edge of Chattam Park uh in the south. Um, next I want to get briefly into storm water at this point in the process. And I don't know if I know you can't see it on if you're looking at 8 and 1 half by 11 uh hard copies. And if you look at it on on the on the copies online, if you look at that on computer, you can see some we've located some uh stormwater devices, preliminary devices without know I mean we know because certain developments in certain areas we can start to begin to um locate without necessarily designing size-wise. Uh but the the interesting thing that goes on with this project too is that it's not just traditional storm residential storm water following traditional technical requirements for residents, but because we've got the golf course as part of the fabric of the community. It's going to have its own water that follows more strategic and aesthetic requirements than technical. Will some of those also meet storm water uh treatment? Yes. and we'll have to

deal with that separately. But the whole is a little bit more complicated system because we have both storm water devices that aren't necessarily related to residential, but they could be. So the point right now is we we give you those preliminary indications within this preliminary plan, but as we go forward with with um preliminary plats and subdivision plans and site plans, then we get more specific in sizing and engineering them to make sure that they're covering what is required for the impervious surface that would still have to be uh determined as we go through the design process. So um not that it's we're again moving our way from concept to reality concept to real engineering and so at this point we're not ready for that but we'll be following but part of that too is you know one of the re some people have said why don't you go ahead and do that now is we don't have this plant this even this concept approved yet we want to make sure that we have the basic road locations the basic uses in place and then that helps us begin to do engineering and more detailed planning behind exactly where those are rather than thinking possibly they could move with some other deliberation going on. So it starts again with getting it getting that level taken care of. So we're going to move on to the now the master plan. These guys will be speaking more about their plan, but I'm going to cover a few things here that are more Chattam Park centric um that would apply to whatever's coming here. Now, with this plan, we've we're zeroing in further on density and number of units. I'll have Ben talk more about that, but we're it'll be less than the 1750. Um, and we know from the um activity center being in the corner that we've got some non-residential. We've got a mixeduse village down there as they were kind of talking about what they're doing in West Haven, but he'll get more into that. Um, we have a we have an affordable housing requirement of 7 and a half%. That translates if we if we did

have 1,400 units. What would that mean? That would mean we've got approximately 95 apartments and 11 single family homes that would have to be provided in the south village. Since apartments are not part of the land uses within the golf community, they're going to be located just to the west in other apartment uh projects that we're doing, but it will be in the south village related to this development. U Ben will also, I think, get into some maybe some more affordable housing type issues maybe as opposed to capital affordable capital housing, but little a little H that gets more into just a general affordability and how they how they look at that. Uh I've already talked about the the buffer the 300 foot buffer along ropes and creek and the the percent of open space and tree preservation that'll go on within this section divine will be higher than other section design plans just because of the uses being a little bit different and the and lesser density. Um I'm not ready you're going to have a few minutes. Um, and now the last thing I'm going to get into because it's in terms of one us making sure we're meeting our responsibilities as we proceed with development, but also helping you understand how we're mitigating traffic and how we how we're dealing with the transportation issue where at the beginning when there's nothing down there, but how do you make sure that we're going to be following through and uh providing improvements and roadway improvements and different things because of the traffic that would be generated. We've got Travis Fluitt here with Kimley Horn who's transportation I don't they're they do do more than transportation planning and engineering but they are responsible for uh our transportation network as well as do a lot of work for DOT around the state and for other municipalities around the state. So, I'm going to turn it over here for a few minutes and then I'll be back to say one thing and then turn it over to uh Southernland again to

talk about their plan and specifics.

Thank you.

Good evening. Travis Fluitt with Kim Associates. Um just provided a quick update on the transportation. I know Ben's gonna do a deep dive into the modeling stuff, so I won't rehash his but um just to let you all know where we're at. So we provided the no build model transportation model that was requirement of the small area plan. So that's been checked off. Um and I just wanted to note we've talked a lot about the model and I want to note how unusual it is for a developer to be managing model for municipality. We've been doing this like 22 years and this is probably the only case where developer builds and manages a model. We been working on it for over 10 years. We built it for NC do but normally it is NC DOT and the NO that manage the model and we're only doing this because NC do has kind of neglected Chattam County and Pittsburgh in their modeling. They've been supposedly working on a Chattam County model for like 10 years now and we're still waiting. They were supposed to have one done in March and we're still waiting. So that's why we're still doing this. Um but the hope is that DOT and the town will finish their model. The DOT will finish their model and that'll be what we use moving forward. But for the near term, um the model is just I want to note that it is a planning tool. Um Ben's going to present on it. You're going to see a lot of red on that plan and that's okay. It is a 20-year projection and it is a tool to help us identify what we need to focus on in the traffic studies, the TAS that we're going to continue to do as South Village builds out. And same for other developments in town. They're going to do TAS and they're going to the model is going to help us identify where we need to focus because the TA is a much more

detailed analysis than the model. It's very high level. So just understand while you see red that's okay. If anybody if you know anybody that can project accurately something 20 years out please let me know. I want to talk about sports betting with them. But um the other thing I want to note is the model is built on a worst case land use scenario. So I think Chuck mentioned this area was originally planned in the model for 3500 homes and now they're building 1,750. So half of what's in the model and it continues to build out that way what you're going to see on the model is going to be a lot less in reality than what's shown on that plan. Um so the next steps we are going to update the model with these first three or four section design plans and then we're going to do a TIA for the initial section designs design plans as well and the both of those things will happen with the first plat. So there will be many more TAS to follow after that but there are detailed analyses coming with each section design plan. Thank you.

Thank you.

Okay. And then one other u this is more transit related than transportation but still in that bucket. Um we have been meeting with um Chattam County Transit and because we have a responsibility to make sure that we're providing improvements as they are needed. Uh right now and we've met with them over the we meet annually because we they keep coming back. They they even had a bus at one time they sold that bus that because they are not providing bus service yet. They're not providing that kind of service. they're providing uh what pick up on demand and and they they come to your house, take you where you're needed, that sort of thing, that's still where they're going to be for a while. So, while we could have um stops located and there's nothing to

stop there. So, what we've committed to do as we again go through this TIA process, we'll be providing TIA. Basically, the our requirement in Chattam Park is that if we if we have a development, so it could be just a oneacre Starbucks site that generates 100 p 100 trips that that kicks off the the need for a traffic study that would then be identifying um turn lanes or traffic signals or whatever. But generally since at the beginning, we'll be doing residential development. We've committed to do a traffic study for the entire uh 17,400 units of this section design plan at one time even though we would be turning in preliminary plats in lesser phases than that. So but what that study will do would be a determining you need this improvement by this point in time by this number of units. U there would be other section designs that will be doing the same thing uh providing those kind of traffic studies. So there going to be a number of things coming before the town that's going to be informing them and us about what improvements are needed by when and who's responsible for them. Uh that would be coming in with the plat. Uh and and we back to the transit. We committed to continue to meet with the transit system because I think it's also within that timeline the possibility that the town takes that over versus the county having that. So there so many things kind of in flux related to that that what we've said is each traffic study each TIA that we do we'll also be looking at those those transit improvements to see if if any one or any number of them are improve or are needed at that particular point in time because they've they've changed their system or they've added buses or they know where stops are going to be or that sort of thing. So that's part of the commitments we've made that we'll talk more about. Um, now I'm gonna turn it back over as we said we would do, back over to to Ben to talk about the spec more of the specifics and more of their philosophy behind what they're doing within their master plan.

Thanks, Chuck. your ear off for days about what's gone into the plan so far. But if you hear me say anything, the three things that we're really trying to accomplish here is one, we want to respect the land. Two, we want to build community. And three, and probably most importantly, we want to build a project that we're all proud of that we think is a complement to the great work that they've done at Chattam Park, but most importantly to the town of Pittsburgh. So, we've been looking at this land for basically 2 years. And by respecting the land, what what what that meant to us was we've got about 25,000 linear feet of uh protected waterways on this site. We're only crossing that three times with roads. We will have some minor crossings. We have a significant amount of steep topography that we're staying pretty well off of. We're respecting the 300 foot buffer along Robus and Creek. We are uh have a significant more a significant amount of tree cover that we're protecting u that we um are wanting to roll into our open spaces. We are we have one flat spot on our whole site and I'm sorry that you're sort of having to zoom in and squint your eyes at the plan but some of the images that you've seen from from some other projects. We see that that's a great spot to create a lake that one enhances some inhab some habitat but also is a really we we've seen that people are just naturally attracted to bodies of water. We want them out there fishing and uh enjoying it. Um, we are as far as working with our golf course, we are working to minimize the amount of grading possible so that we one create a worldclass asset for us and the community, but also that we're really respecting what the land is giving us to be able to route that course. We've routed it probably seven or eight times before we came to a routing that we really felt like worked. We've done

multiple multiple uh site grading plans to really understand how the lots worked with with the topography to minimize the amount of grading and set the lots up for success and not and create as uh as little uh dirt moving as possible. So what that yielded was, as you can see in the plan, um pods of development that are basically connected by uh multiple sets or or collector roads that that move through the community. Each one of those little areas is going to have a diversity of housing. This is where we start thinking about how do we build community. We we're proposing up to 12 different product types within our community that what we see is it just makes good sense um from a development standpoint, but also what it does, it allows and it's something I know that Pittsboro has has been thinking about as well, multigenerational housing within the community that allows if if a parent comes in with their young children, then the grandparents might come in and live uh relatively close. So, it gives that opportunity for multiple different uh uh um demographics to move into the same community, which we really believe uh starts to foster uh those connections, that community that we can build here. We also have a village area that is anchored by some smallcale uh retail and as you see some of our pictures and I'd really encourage you to go on our website and take a look at some of our projects across the country. We pay a lot of attention to the detail of the pedestrian experience as you're walking through uh especially our commercial areas and that's something that we really believe in and we'll try to get out as soon as possible um to build it out so that we can attract both people that live within our community but really the broader community of Chattam Park as well as as Pittsboro. And so there is a a village kind of core of residential there that would be town homes, small smaller houses, cottages, um condominiums that really kind of

complete that little dense uh village there. On the application, we said uh that we wanted this to be a gated community. That's up for debate internally for us. We we it was either yes or no on the application. We're still studying whether that's the right thing to do or not. We don't quite know and we're not tell here tonight to tell you that we've made a decision, but we that's part of what we're doing here uh in Chadam this week as we will be uh doing in the future is really soliciting input from from everybody to see if that's the right decision or not. And so we're not I just want to make that point that we're not uh committing uh to that this will be a gated community nor are we committing the opposite but we have set this up that it could be but we're we're just not sure if we want to advocate for that uh yet or not. So um also building community means the right open spaces in the right places to allow people as we saw in some of the pictures uh to really encourage people to use them. open space is not all created equally. Um, so we we spend a lot of time in each one of these little village areas making connections to trails, providing open spaces that allow people and encourage people to gather. And then especially in the village area with that's kind of writ large for the whole community, not just our community that we're proposing here, but really everybody. We want this to be a gathering place for them. And then as far as a a community that we can all be proud of, we are uh we believe we're we're building up from the details, not looking down and and forgetting about those details. So it's just ingrained in our DNA like we've talked about designing every house. Um designing the landscapes that go with every house. We treat that really u that level of detail is critical to what we're doing. And we've seen that that's how one we create value create value for our residents but also for every municipality that we're in um master plan community that we're in. That's what we're trying to to bring

to the table. And so those are the three main things that that we are focusing on. Um we look forward to especially in as we progress with the preliminary plan. um getting into the detail, the phasing, the amount of grading that we're doing, the kind of the locations of our connections to South Village Way, really just uh starting to dig into that level of detail. So, um look forward to hearing your opinions on our proposal for the SB master plan. Uh and if we have any questions, uh we're here to to answer. So, thank you. Thank you.

Thank you. Okay, I have just one more thing and I'll be finished. You've been very patient, so thank you very much. Um, a year ago when we were talking about this, there were there was a lot of public comment about one, the size of what we're doing. And frankly, that was one of the big reasons you guys voted to deny it. And we just want to recognize that because what we're trying to do here is, you know, a process was created to give then break it down into smaller pieces and give you more information piece by piece which I think um you goes in the direction of what you were seeking. Uh secondly, um we there were a lot of comments again about the size of what we're doing and its impact on clients and we didn't we really didn't have the opportunity much to talk about that at that time. But for the last 10 years, we've been doing things that we think impact um positively impact our ability with at the level we're able to do it with what what we're doing regarding climate. uh and we formalized that now in a climate action plan that we've that we gave to the board last week uh for their first

uh look at it, but it's still something and I think I even spent some time with you last summer just briefly giving you some different points to it without necessarily having it formalized. So, we've since done that. Um and um you've got this is a summary of it. It's not everything that we're doing, but so and I'm going to I'm not going to even go through all this in totality, but the three pillars of our plan, the primary ones though are climate, biodiversity. They work hand in hand and uh much of what we're doing um impacts that and and really the only thing I'm going to get into tonight related to that plan. We can talk about this later if you'd like to, but it's some of the things that the this community, this golf course community is doing that impacts primary I'd say bio biodiversity as much as anything, but but both um the just pointing out a couple things objectives from our climate pillar of our plan. Uh number one, mitigating greenhouse gas emissions, planning and facilitating the design of sustainable of a of a sustainable multimodal lowcarbon community. Um going to get into some of the details of that in a second. But then secondly, how we're using naturebased adaptation and infrastructure to improve our resilience against severe weather. There are some things that we're doing again partly because of the scale that we're at. you know, 100 lot subdivision can't do some of the things we're talking about, but we're able to do some things that help um to me make great strides in terms of climate impact. Um th this is a kind of a summary on some of the things that we've done. Most of you know that we've got Tinker Solar Farm in the South Village, not too far from this site that um powers approximately 750 homes. Um secondly, we we built a water the water

recovery center that for because sewer is not here yet. We've had we had to provide some kind of sewer treatment facility that that uh enabled us to build what we've built to this point uh because the town was out of sewer. And this facility is not a traditional uh sewer plant because it allowed the ability to generate uh reuse water. So right now with the amount of sewer flow we've got through going through that plant, we've got about 100,000 gallons that could be dedicated to reuse. Um we have not gone much further. I mean, we even we're starting to talk less about it, but it's important. We we made a pretty big investment now that's now being turned over to Tri River and they're still talking about whether they want to be using this as a reused water facility. So, we don't control that. Um, you don't necessarily control it, but I do think your thoughts on it may help get help them come to a determination about how they're going to use that facility. We think it's an important one because it could be an a way to serve the water needs for the for this golf course. Um the thirdly, this is important when we this this number is actually different, but between our 30 mi of greenways that we're in the process of building, we've got over two miles built now, but 30 miles ultimately we'll build and we've got another 32 miles, so a total of 62 rather than 55. We went back and looked at that of multi-use trail. So 10 foot wide or adjacent to the street uh trails. The combination of those um leads to the more of a reducing vehicular dependency by having the ability to walk and bike. And so we're we're we're a pretty strong statement with the amount that we're doing that and that will be something that we're going to be continuing through the life of this development. And then finally, this one

um I know in the we were there was a lot of conversation about the town's climate action plan. Part of that plan was to have energy efficient town buildings. An important thing to do. So we went back and calculated what are we doing because we developed our we developed an echo select energy management system that all houses in Chattam Park had the requirement to be more energy efficient and more so than normal North Carolina building code requires and that leads to um ultimately 55 million square ft of building that will be more energy efficient. uh we have two million square feet of that building, all residences on the ground now that are more energy efficient. that two million the these these numbers come from our third party um who's it southern man who's who

southern energy is developed this and they've been one keeping up with this data but um with the houses that we built to this point so just a less le less than a thousand out of 20 22,000 25,000 2.1 million pounds of carbon emissions have been avoided to this point. That's a that's a that's a big number. And and again, the scale of our project enables us to be doing these kind of things. So scales a negative in many ways. Scale is a positive in other ways. Um, and the way another metric in this is you could plant over 24,000 additional trees to what we're planting to offset that difference between the energy programs that we have versus what North Carolina building code requires you to have. um very to me a very important statement that we're making and we'll continue to build on and you'll continue to hear more about as we go through as we go

through time here now rel the initiatives that have already taken place or some are in process but related to the golf and we just talked about the possible water conservation we're trying to hope hope that'll happen with um the the water recovery center we and and I think there were photos in Ben's presentation that showed you uh tree canopy and tree planting along the roadway that uh starts to mitigate heat island effects because of the shade that is now placed closer to the street shading the street. That's an important part of um micro microclimate cooling. Um and then finally, we're in the process, we haven't finished this yet, but we're in the process of creating our developers guide. So anybody coming into into our project would have a guide to sustainable development. Different things that would um be part of the development process of coming into Chattam Park. Um secondly, biodiversity is a is the next pillar that we're talking about and we're uh looking at uh 30% of our land area that either is existing or degraded ecosystems that are targeted for protection and restoration. So again that works hand inand with some of the climate measures. But one of the an example of this that we would be doing within the golf and there'll be more discussion of this as you get more into the detail of understanding what's going on with the golf. But we have requirements that uh for a diverse native plant pallet everywhere we go. But specific it will be in treated a little differently just because of nature's golf's different that uh we have pollinator plant requirements, we have native plant requirements, we have warm season grass requirements that then requires less water. So all those things would be taking place here. Um I could I this is I've I've at first I I've treated it like um I wasn't sure I wanted to be talk we were

getting beaten up pretty still are getting beaten up pretty badly about this in the public and we feel like we're making a pretty strong statement. I'm I'm becoming more anxious to be talking about what we're doing as opposed to sort of shying away from it. So, I appreciate the opportunity to to do this now. And we'll um some of the some of the initiatives that we've that we've got again, we've got wildlife we talked about this today with some of the board members, but um we've got wildlife barters throughout the development. Um the the buffer along Roach and Creek is an important wildlife barter just because of the protection of that area along the stream. And same thing within our streams internal to the project that'll be protected. And then we've also got strict habitat creation standards. One of the things they didn't talk about in the creation of their water that they're going to have is that they stock the lakes with different types of fish. Fishing is becoming an important, but it's is creating um habitat for something that we just don't have in Shenon Park. So that's going to be important as we move through time and some of the things they're doing. Um so I think that the last thing is this is funny that we are becoming advocates of for this kind of thing. Um, al you know partly with how we're talking to our stakeholders and our future clients and developers and terms of what we're going to be doing from sustainable protocol within Chattam Park, but also we're part of um larger uh urban land institute has master plan community councils that we're part of. when we go speak um and participate in those councils with other master plan communities around the country almost entirely their emphasis is on quality of amenities. Their their buyer expects quality of amenities and safety and cleanliness and that sort of thing. Now that's important. We're not not but we started going and talking about sustainability. start talking about what we consider the YMCA to be an equity

issue as opposed to building some big club that can't be joined by only but a certain people. Anybody can be part of the Y. That's a big part of connecting and part of establishing community in our project. So there are things like that that we're communicating around the country that's starting to take hold a little bit in terms of what we're doing. This pollinator requirements, nobody's doing that. And there's a you know there's a world food shortage problem is because we're losing pollinators. We can do a little bit because of the scale of our project that enables us to look at a larger area and come back and reestablish habitat for these important uh insects that u then lead to us starting a honey program and other things that we've been doing as a statement on that. So that is um really it for us and we can answer questions or I don't know how you want to handle that. Wait until later with the different parts of the agenda but that's up to up to others besides me.

But thank you for your time. I appreciate your patience.

You have questions on this pres.

Anybody has any questions now on this? Welcome student.

It's very det.

Thank you very much.

Thank you.

We will move on to our next discussion item. Uh presentation of the interactive development map to Tori. Good evening.

Good evening.

You're all doing well. I'm really excited to be able to put in what development services staff has been working on. Um we've been working on a tool called the interactive development map. Um we've heard from other residents that they'd like a little bit more knowledge on on what's up and what's the review pipeline so far. And so um has been working on a map that we can

continually update and be a bit of a living document. um one that we can update continuously as projects come through and also y'all can give feedback and we can work with you to incorporate those into that. So, if you have your computers, you're welcome to follow along, but I'm also going to hopefully I think so. Um, okay. So, basically, when you get to this room homepage, you're going to go up to the top where government is and scroll down to the development services department tab. And then in this section to the left, you're going to see interactive development app. and we've got a brief um description of what you should expect and also a link to look for the Chapman County development map as well. Um so you can see what's going on within Pittsburgh and then you can also see what's going in the broader scheme of what's happening on the county and then we have something last updated just so you're in the know of the last time we ever did math was. So, if you have great eyesight, your 2020 vision, you can use the smaller one over here. Uh, I do not. So, I'm going to click the full screen version. But before I do that, I want to kind of talk to you about this feedback form. So, if you scroll down, um, this is where you can put in any comments once you get a little bit more time to look through the inter interactive development map. Uh if you have something you may really want us to put in the map, you can leave some feedback for us and development services staff will do our best to incorporate that feedback. Um so there's a form for you. All right. Oh, maybe there's a little directions tab right here. it kind of it goes away

immediately as you open your screen, but it's okay. There's a little arrow that can bring it back and I'm done. Um, so if you find yourself lost, look towards the directions. But essentially, this is just an interactive map where you can click on a project name, it'll highlight it, and it'll also highlight it on the map and get rid of all the other developments. So, you're only looking at the one you clicked on. as you can see where it is within the town and you can um see it project description and you can also see a little bit more if you scroll across the screen to its status if it's in review um and sorry posting it part IDs um and the date that it was submitted and how we're working towards it. If you click the highlighted cell again, it will bring all of the other developments back up to you. Um, so that's one way to do it. You can also, if you'd like to, you can click on the parcel itself and it'll bring up a little tower on the screen. And so that way you can still see it with all the other developments also still on the map. Um, and it'll bring up a smaller area that you can also view everything else. Um, that's in this big t. Um, a couple other things. So, right now this is just the reszonings layer. Um, I believe development services staff is also working on a major subdivisions layer um, and an annexation uh, tab as well. But once we add more layers to it, you should be able to see to the right there's a little toolbar. If I can see that I can't, like I said, fat asset. Um, you'll have

all of the different layers. So, there'll be one with a major subdivision, there'll be one with connectation, and you can toggle them on and off. uh to give yourself a little bit of an ease in in navigating the map that um there's a legend as well, but it's probably just easier if you click on the courses themselves. Um and then if you ever want to just reset completely, of course, you can refresh your page, but you can also hit this little home icon. It should um like if you hit one parcel and it get out of here, you can click the home button. maybe not never bring it back home ideally. Uh I can answer questions as well or I can give you a little bit of time and encourage you to fill out the form if you have any suggestions for us.

Thank you.

Thank you. Cool. So

like the update.

Yeah. Go ahead.

When does a project get added to this? Yeah, there'll be a little bit of um buffer time in between when an application gets submitted to us and we're able to put the parcel into GIS. Um but hopefully it will be consecutive after we get the application and processes it, make sure it's complete. Um then our GIS services update them accordingly. And if something has not been approved after, does it stay on there as as disapproved? And

yeah. Um, so if somebody comes back a year later and does something with that same parcel, you can compare and see what happened before. And

yeah, ideally this will give you a breadth of development in Pittsburgh across time. Um, so things that are approved will stay in here and things that are denied will also stay in here. Just so you can see uh the timeline of growth in Pittsburgh.

Um, one question I had is uh what about the application or any of the like any

of these kinds of documents that show like the detail of what's coming. It's nice to see it, but it's also nice to like have a link back to like what it's going to look like or what is that in there incorporated in there at this time or would we kind of um take some of the information that we find here like parcel ID or whatever and then go to a different website and then enter it in somewhere else that can you tell me how that might look the lazy person.

I do it all in one spot. Uh right now there are no applications tied to this development map but that's definitely something that we are pursuing and adding in like flats and things like that to give you a bit of a ease so you don't have to research the parcel to go to a different place.

Cool. So like some links hyperlinks or whatever to take you other places. Great. Super.

How how does the format of this compare to the county version? Are they similar?

They are similar. We we've been taking some notes from the county's development map and and trying to make them more similar so you're not as confused uh with like the stark differences between the two.

Thank you. All right, we'll move on to our last discussion item update on the Chattan Park South Village Transportation.

Good evening everyone.

Evening has been a project engineer in the development services department. Um, this presentation is really informational for discussion. So, please ask questions. Just kind of want to talk through the process. Um, and al also kind of tie up a loose end with the small area plan that got approved.

So, you know, how we do transportation and transportation planning in town kind of starts here. We have this old comprehensive transportation plan. It was adopted in 2015, but a lot of the information that went into it is is even older than that. So it it is a it's a tool um and it essentially it produced this roadway map um recommended roads and it's it uses computer models or a computer model to determine the roadway network based on land use planning. So this is this is essentially what uh what they came up with for like a fully developed town Pittsburgh. So there's a uh legend on the right there. You can see the needs for thorough bears um boulevards things like that. So one project um that you all are aware of is the Chattam Parkway project. So that is on here as the uh new north south connector essentially bypassing town there on the east side. It will be the new 15501. So this is a uh stit project, a NC DOT state transportation improvement project, which means it is a taxpayer funded project. It's got um some two-lane sections, some fourlane sections, all within I believe it's all within a 100 foot right of way. And so

the that red portion in the bottom that's two lanes that then goes up to four lanes in the around the orange section back to two lanes in the yellow which is existing and open. Um the purple section just got opened up. That's four lanes. And then the pink pinkish purple that's goes back down to two lanes. So, um, one thing I do want to point out, it the whole section has two 10 foot wide multi-use paths. So, it is a complete street, which, you know, that's our that's what we want. Um, with the exception of the yellow part that that is intended to be a complete street. So looking back at this um at the math um you know the model produce this and it we basically classify roads based on their capacity. Um, and the model projects volume and we use a level of service to kind of score the road which so that's a volume to capacity ratio. Um, so it's kind of how roads are planned and and kind of scored and evaluated. Um, both new roads and existing roads. So the CTP again going back to that original map that was designed so all existing roads would be no worse than the LOSD and all new roads would be a LOSC. So what we try and do is avoid the E and Fs. Um as you can see there um with an

F. This this this appendix is from the CTP defines F as a a breakdown in um kind of traffic flow unstable flow. Um so not efficient and again trying to avoid that in the planning process. So last year um you know we we were looking at the small area plan and since the model wasn't kept up to date by NCO Chhattam Park um basically updated it and put in their new um land use into the into the model to kind of give us a um the the big picture for how their development affects the the broader um CTP and you know essentially the the conceptual plan here it's the conceptual transportation plan approved in the small area plan um which has the you know it has Chad Parkway in red up there and then the the two main roads. Uh the north to south road to south village way and then the east to west the Charlie Brooks extension serenity place way. And so since that model was new, it wasn't um being kept up with by NC do the town hired a third party to review it to make sure it was accurate. Um, so they reviewed all of the inputs into the model to confirm that the outputs that we were seeing were accurate. So all that process was part of the the small area plan. Um, we knew that there were some areas that needed to be looked at closely, but

with the the process as it goes from the big picture down to smaller uh development approvals, that's when we get our traffic impact analysis, the TAS. Um, and so that looks more at a granular level. And so at the time the this as a conceptual plan was was good with us and the consultant. Um however one one thing that came out of the review is a uh requirement to look at a no build model and what what that means is um a traffic or travel demand model that gives us the outputs if Chhattam Park were not to build. And so that that can kind of let us see how they how the the new development is is impacting the the town network. And so we we worked with uh Chatter Park to get that no build model. Again, our consultant reviewed all the inputs and um kind of provided us a a uh an analysis and essentially um provided us with with this slide. And as you can see, you know, there there are some um some Fs that we need to look at closer. And um as as Travis said though, this this is the the full build out of of all of what they would be entitled to. Um which is 15,000 units and over 9 million square feet of non-residential. So, you know, that's worst case that doesn't mean that this is um what

would actually happen when development plans come in and and um you know depending on what ends up happening. So what do we do with this? Um we we really use this for the TAS to um scope the TAS and just the broader transportation planning for town. Um definitely this kind of thing should not be ignored. Um but this is part of the small area plan um process was to kind of provide these results. So, um I will note there's as part of the review the the build model does have a couple of offsite roadways. Um so I'm going to bounce back to the CTP. Oops. So X Campbell extension if you know where X Campbell Road is between Old Graham and 87. is someday supposed to extend from Old Graham all the way to uh Chattam Parkway. And then we have the industrial 15 connector which will eventually connect Lorax lane extension down by the plant to 15501 or to to Sanford Road at that. Um so those two roads are on the build model. Um however that there are no immediate plans to build those roads. So again any questions on TAS or modeling? Um

a question about presentation the um the first thing you showed us with the white background that is the proposed future state

is that I'm just trying to understand these three different maps. This

this map.

Yeah.

Yeah. So this this was the 2015 comprehensive transportation plan. Yeah. So this was you this was developed based on land use.

You know

conceptual

10 15 years ago and our UDO requires that developers you know kind of accompany this plan.

Then the no build and build views are no build means what's the difference between two? Is it no build mean there is no Chattam Park or something and then build means there is or

right

okay yeah and so that's the traffic analysis with

okay okay thank you

so the the build model is showing the existing part of Chattam Parkway as going to level of service F where it is What? C or D right now.

Great. Okay.

This is to identify for the state where we have problems that we need fixed.

It's it's to inform the state and the town, you know, all of the jurisdictions having, you know, authority in the development review. So, right. And it does is a planning tool. So plans future projects. It um it starts the conversation with developers.

But but the medical facility is going to be off that road.

Okay. Any further questions, Ben?

All right.

Thank you.

All right. We'll move on

to our action items. First one being PB 26243, Chattam Park South Village section design plans. Miss May be presenting that for us. This is only twice, right? All right. So, I'm going to go back through a couple of items before I start directly on the plan. The items you have in front of you is the format, the package. So, part of the process was trying to figure out taking that SAP what was approved and what need to be submitted for the STPs. So you have a staff report that's broken down with um items and the findings and the recommendations and then eventually um it goes back to the reference to the memo for the actual motion. Behind that you have a checklist. That checklist took that SAP and basically pulled everything out that need to be in the plan sets or had to be addressed whether it be a narrative or on those plans a tracker or any kind of documentation that was available. And yes, it is long because there was quite a bit. We try to keep it as short as possible. It was at 1.12 pages. This is how we would run it down. Um so and then they turn in their checklist. They go through all those items. They submit the plan sheets. You have six plan sheets should be about the average for what should have. So you have the overall land use to that concept plan and they basically bubbled the section design plan that they're speaking about. that outline. Once that

bubble goes away, there'll be an outline on that section because it still appears and then the next set will have a bubble for where it appears. So, it's kind of like the tracking for the the South Village section design. And you have the existing conditions for that section specifically, the concept plan for all the connectivity pieces. Um, then the SDP sheets themselves. So, you have the overall layout which is kind of like the master plan for that individual section design plan. And the next sheet is the utilities and um storm water push dry wet. All that pieces that you could see is in that piece. And then you have a last the details and the notes. We talk about cross-sections or details or layouts that would be stay standard for that section design plan. That'll be on that sheet. So that's what you should see for the plan sets going forward. So the process is they have their check sheet, they have all the documents in plans and they have a narrative. So if they couldn't put on the plans, they had a narrative. They submit any permits. This one you have, if you look, there is a entity EQ all the maps that go with it for the section. Give you an idea. If you look at the page two of that one, the first one at the bottom, it actually labels it Chattam Park area A. And then that you can see is for where this section, that section design plan would have impacts. And then the next two pages behind that would be for this one. So this actual permit is for the entirety of South Village. So they've submitted that to the state. It's under review. So this would be available. They would also have the letter um from the schools and from transit and then the there's an actual report for the historical background. So all that's been provided up front and it would go into this report according. So the the historical and the um NCQ are standard for all the sections of events for south coach and then the other part to this is

knowing the other parts of the process. There's a bi-weekly monthly bi-weekly every month there's a meeting with China Park we go through their current projects where they are and then any of the items for the section design plans are brought to us discuss them first before they submit them. They go through the process for the TRC submitt. If there's any comments from fire, if there's comments from the county, any of those dot, they come as part of that process. And then we go through the plan review. So we get to where they're submitted to the plan. Same thing for the B after that. If there's any changes or modifications, we know what those are. So then we took that checklist and in our staff report we outlined every section like an overall piece what they have submitted what's in that section doesn't meet it or we're missing something it's in those sections. So, for example, um the purpose and intent as you would see for the SAP, it's actually it tells you what that is in this plan. So, it'll always be on here and everything on the background, the project area, how big it is, any acres, how many lots, um where it's located in, that's all going to be on there, always on this sheet. So, you'll always have all the base information. You have a background what this is for, and you'll have each part of those sections. So we'll go through this specific um succession design plan. We can start looking at now and that way if we need to change a format, make it clear something missing, we have the opportunity to do that. But this is this first section design plan how the sheets got created. This is where we are in that process. So if something's missing, we're going to make sure we get it. So there's two parts to this. The first one, we also making sure the process has everything in it. So if you see something, please let us know. and we have spent since November trying to make this package, this process work. So,

like I said, comments are what? All right. So, page two of five of the staff report. Um, looking at the findings, um, we've already attached the permit they have for DQ. It is not approved as of yet, but has for the entire South Village. So, it's probably going to be a little bit longer before they get that. They have had their first set of comments. they have resubmitted. Um, and then the tracking, a lot of the sheets have individual tracking items on them. I'm move it. I'm going to go to the sheet real talk about. Okay. So, see right here the same site data. right here that actually has a list of that tracking data for that sheet for that overall. So that when I was talking about the bubble and have it clouded, that's the the red line. That's that section design and that's what all the other sheets should point to that. They shouldn't have anything on any other sections. The other red sections are other section design plans that have been prepared that have not been submitted to planning board of yet. So on this one, it were supposed to be two before this. They swapped this one because this is the largest one. It has the most impacts, but you would be able to see everything. Um, so that's where some of the tracking is and the other part is in the narrative. So if we and then from their specific narrative, we pull out the data, the answers to the the item, but there's additional items in that narrative. Okay. Any questions on tracking information on that? Okay, for storm water um they don't have the overall storm management plan. They have the individual for this is the layout. They have the section where they have all of the primary storm water controls shown in blue lines.

See if it'll let me go through. It's slow and this is not a generator, right? Okay, it's going to take a minute. Now, the way that you look, you can see these little what this size little dash like blue lines. That's where the storm water controls are around each area. They're generally located um close to the stream sections. The ones you don't see are the items associated with the Gulf themselves. So, if they have a water area, it is not the storm water control. They don't show that on here because it would create confusion. Had some on there. And I'm like, if that's got 100 detention, you can't show it up against that covert like that without talking about what that emergency overflow looks like in that piece. So they took those off. They are separate. So these are what I consider the primary serar controls for this and they are out closer to that stream sections like this the low points. All right. Well Parkland and Greenway there.

Excuse me. So with the storm water management,

is it embedded somewhere with the development services staff recommendations where we say specifically before approval of the first preliminary Matt

uh plat will have u have a storm water management plan.

They have to include that in that for that section. They have to have a plan for that. won't get approved for a storm water permit without it through the preliminary plat and the CDs with a full they're showing on here they have to do that.

Okay. So that's not necessary to put in the staff recommendations.

No, I mean it's it's in the specific designs for the preliminary pack. They have to change something. They have to change that plan. You can't really grade them and show them they're going to get a secondary or a primary in sections. So that is definitely preliminary class CD. Okay. full design is CDs. And then once they're done, they have to have a a management plan after that piece. All right. Parkland and Greenway. So, there are two pieces. There's one section up here. It's on this back side. I see it spread. That all will have a greenway. But the part that we're talking about that was inside the golf course, that's a safety concern because you don't want to get hit with a golf ball. Does not feel good. Um, that section is taken out and is approximately 1.86 miles, which is about 9,800 linear feet. Um, that they have to have outlined and given to staff by the first preliminary plot and we have to approve it by that section. Um, that is actually in the language for this as well. So, we've noted that one. And all the open space is noted and that's particularly the golf course itself as well as additional area that's outlined AC across from Robson Creek as that follows along that section. If you go back to the plan sheet, if it'll take forever to show this, but hopefully we'll get it back on there. See, you can see some of the areas. It talks about right here the sheet. It tells you what what's amenity, what's open space in Gulf, and then what is the park that actually outlines what are the

areas associated with what's in here are colorcoded to that plan sheet. And I believe you should have one if you have like an actual set of the maps, you should have actually that in front of you as well. It should be that third sheet that your paper versus up there. Yes. question. Will we see on the plat what barriers they're going to be with the town park up against uh what is that? South Village Way.

There is no design items with the park. It is just the road section and that bumper section. There's nothing on the park. They're not putting anything on the park or touching the park. That is specifically for to be sent out or designed by the town. They don't touch it. Okay.

So, they're not including anything on that park

there. There's It's not their obligation to put a barrier between the edge of that park and the road.

Not that I know of.

That would be the town's responsibility. Okay. Right. Um, tree coverage. Again, you'll see an extension of the coloration around the buffers. And that is where you get the extra tree protection section. That's that darker color section on the out piece. Activity center. Um, if you look at the Let me go to the next one again. Um, the bottom central section right here. No, it did. It's not fair.

Yeah. Down where the clock is, that's the activity.

This used to be the donut. Now have

So this whole section right here, that's the activity area. Um, and that has 170,000 square feet of mixed use development. So there's different shops and pieces that they have outlined. They

do not have specifics included as of yet for that session.

How um just a question on that. How I don't know how to say this accurate or what percentage do you think this map is of the finished product? I know there's a lot to go with TIA and everything else. But is this pretty much what it's going to be?

It's I would say it's probably their overall layout and master plan piece and it will shift when they start they haven't finalized all around have that yet. So that will be

that's the overarching design of Yeah. Okay. I figured that much otherwise it wouldn't be in here but yeah

um emergency services for this one. Um there is a fire station as you can see on the section. Where is it?

FS2. Yeah. Um so that one's on there and that's 3.5 acres if I remember the numbers correctly. um along Serenity Place. Correct. Okay. Near the Gum Springs Church Road. And that one has been approved there. And no additional items on police uh TA County schools. They do not need school for this section. Um and then the signage is matching the north village as currently outlined. and then affordable housing. Um, these are the outline numbers for the seven 1750 welling units. And then can you can you point out where exactly those units are on the section?

The affordable housing units.

Affordable housing units.

The affordable housing units are not required to be within the colored area. They're required to be within the South Village somewhere. And since 90% of our requirement is apartments, there are no apartments proposed within this project.

So they're going to be adjacent slightly to the west where we would have apartments associated with activity those activity centers in that area. Does that make that make sense?

You said that earlier.

Some people are nodding yes and some people are so sure about

it. Yeah.

Say it again.

You stated that earlier in your

Yeah. Good. Yeah.

Okay. Thank you. Thank

um there is a historical cultural report that was submitted and again that's available we didn't want to include all that for that piece but it is something that will be really really available for all of the South Village piece as well. Um public art there has one item that's outlined for the mixeduse area and but there's no design that has been selected as of yet. So that would be something you would see when they come with with that specific section for the art. And then the transit um Chattam County transit did not have any requirements as yet and that is a discussion that will be ongoing about how we're going to deal with transit even though um the county I mean Chattam County transit may not actually ask for something at that time. So we will have that one of the items um roadways transportation impact analysis. So given the the size, we made the ask that the TIA and the model update be done at the beginning of the section. Um design like the first preliminary platform in this one. Um we don't want it to be broken up between each individual phases. It's kind of like the overall and then they can come back and do the updates between the design for that each additional plat. they have to make modifications, something doesn't work in their design, they do that then. But the overall is done up at the beginning and then that's in one of the the pieces of recommendation that they have to look at the items that are read on that model and say all right how we mitigate it when when does it need to be mitigated and everything can't wait to the end but when in the process does it need to be

done and there has to be timing. So this is one of those items where they talk about the section design plan when that timing needs to be complete. But they will update each section design plan like the whole area in the first preliminary area of that one the model each time. So every time they come in with section design plan that first pl that section design plan will be updated overall. That's as of this one. That's one of the the items in the recommendations. Sorry, can you can you say that again?

So the first preliminary plat that comes in will have the overall TIA and the model update for that section design plan.

We just saw the presentation about

Yes. Okay.

So right now it kind of just has everything in it, but it'll get the actual pose numbers for that section design plan for that what that design is because they haven't sold some of the areas. They don't know we'll go in every single area. to do the entire thing say, "All right, we're going to drop this by 50%." They don't know they can do that. They don't know if they're going to increase anything. It'll be when they get to that area, but we will be looking at each individual item where we know there's an issue shown in the model both from that no build to their actual planned development.

Do we know whose responsibility will be for the decline in the level of service for the existing section of Chattam Parkway right now? If it is their I think that's a portion conversation and something needs to put in writing for how much and for if it's if it's the town it's park a different developer it needs to be per which development comes in when and then that has to be a percentage conversation put it in writing based on who comes in at what time and that's part of when we have the first conversation on that section design plan this is what does this trigger Um then the recommendations

the list here this goes back to some of the items I pointed out the TIA that furnished approval um for like the first preliminary PL the same thing with the model update um making sure that each item where it is in the process if it triggers whatever percentage or failure in that line updating it making sure that it doesn't trigger a whole section on someone else that is not there and it's like just if you have that sliver that might be a questionable that's the percentage that we're talking about you can't put it all in one if it's got two coming at the same time or if this one has a higher rating to that. So that's where also if the town does something in one area then the town would be responsible for abortion. So accountability across the board, it is not single-handedly one item. And then um phasing and then succession of um that is part of what Chattam Park is working on is making sure that those that they come in for the builders that are working in the areas of Chattam Park that looks like and making sure that is actually right as well. That will be part of this. And then the greenway and making sure and the first one that the greenway item is actually where's it going before we sign off on that firstary plat. So all should be together in that piece. And then if you want to ask any questions about the how that staff report is put together or that checklist if there's any items overlap this is a really good time to do that. stuff that we need to add more detail or if you have questions we need to make sure we're keeping up and have that in here. So that is where this one has to this point. So um the suggested motion is a motion to recommend approval for PB section plan 2.12.2 2.4 and D2 with conditions as noted. I have one more quick question. The the gating, so is the proposed gated community portion, I know it's up in the

air still, but would there be like three options? There's a gate kind of in front of the um commercial area in the bottom lefthand corner to get in or is the gate like in the residential only section and then is is there an opt you know it's kind of like what are the options there and then what is the town's responsibility for upkeep of maintenance on the whole SDP regard if the gate is there or not kind of thing. So if it's gated and towns not maintain has to be private.

Okay.

I will state that because you have to have access at all times and then that taxpayer is paying for the upkeep of that area. So if they don't normally have access shouldn't be upkeep in that section.

Um

is there an option for just the com the commercial park to be ungated?

That is a question for Chattton Park on how

is that are you looking at all three options right now?

If you if you would Yeah, if you would mind. Thank you. The question, as I understand it, is there an option for uh the village area to be ungated?

Yeah. What's what's on the what's on your um options list right now?

So, just to talk through the whole thing, our right now in the master plan, the gate would happen here, would happen here, would happen here, and would happen here.

Okay. So which completely uh excludes any if those were if all of those gate gate adoption happened that would completely exclude the village area. So it we are not planning at all for that. Yeah. Uh village area because we again we want to encourage uh really the whole community come and walk shop all of those things take advantage of that

and you will have the opportunity at preliminary plat. That's what we've committed to is that at preliminary plat first preliminary plat we would then have made that decision and proposed to you that it would either be gated or not gated. So that we're not we're not

asking for that right now because again we've not made the decision but you will get the opportunity to review that.

Thank you.

There anything else? Any further questions? I just ask one question and it's maybe a high level question but if I remember the conversations around the small area plan there was a lot of like conditional things like it like we have to like this needs to be updated in the plan that needs to be updated in the plan that needs to be updated. I feel like despite what the gentleman said earlier, it wasn't necessarily like the the size of the I mean the size of this plan was a big deal, but also there was so many pieces and parts that needed to be updated like after approval. That that was kind of my hesitation. I'll speak for myself. So I think I heard you say that some of those some of those conditions would be put in on each of these maps and and or at least addressed in these maps or addressed in these plans in some way. Is that what I heard correct?

Yes. So the first piece like the TIA for example said may be at sex and design plan or at the preliminary plat. So for this one it's at the first preliminary plat. um additional items. They're supposed to outline if they're going to move something off this plan and it's going to go somewhere else. You have to actually tell where it's supposed to go. Like affordable housing, he had to tell exactly where he was putting that, where the area was for this section based on that. The same thing for the parks and wreck. Anything you move or shift has to be noted and then we've not they've noted the size of what needs to be shift, but the actual area hasn't been identified. We had a conversation about a couple different pieces that was not agreed upon. just okay, we'll shift it by the first approval of the preliminary plan. That is a reasonable expectation when they've noted the size and that it has to be done by time period. But if it they just didn't have the number down or they didn't say where it was going to go, have an outline when it need to be done, the answer is no, we wouldn't have

agreed to that.

We want to make sure they tell when they're going to do it and what it's going to include. If it's yes, and then after that, it's a different conversation. If they if we cannot agree on it then that's the part we ask the board to assist

because I think um it you know just in in terms of the sheer size of this amount of people

it's uh I just want to make sure that we're check not checking off but we're at least keeping track of and monitoring the things that were that were conditional at the time of a at the time of us noticing it and that and that we're keeping sight of that and um it's very clear how those things how those issues or or or whatever are being rectified because I think sometimes just you know it's like I'm just thinking about this right now it's it's a lot of information and things can get lost and so I just want to make sure that we're not losing track of some of the things that we asked for we asked or we recommended or we suggested be um attached to the small area plan. Um, and we're not losing sight of it. So, if if what I'm hearing you say is that they will be in here, those those conditions will be in here and there will be opportunity for them to for Chattam Park to at least say this is how we're um addressing that issue or not addressing that issue and this is where we're moving it and all that sort of stuff.

Correct. It has to be in there when it's going to be done or if it's in there what it is. They already know the actual answer. That's why I broke it up into the sections and I said this is where this is what this says. This is what this piece says. And then they have their narrative in there. So their narrative, I won't let directly from their from their plan set. It's not there. I say it's not there or they have to answer to it. And I don't let it come here until they at least answered it. And I will say if they they answered it and it doesn't meet at least the minimum, I'm not going to recommend it because um if it if it like I said, it

has to meet the minimum and it has to meet the recommendations and discussions and we have to at least get to where we both can agree on it. If it's not there, it's not coming here. It will it'll come, but it'll just not be latered. But here they did pull it out.

Great. Thank you.

Thank you. If there's no further questions, um, then I will accept the motion. I make a motion that we approve the PB26243 section design plans um with a condition plans 2.1 2.2 2.4 and G2 with conditions that we that were given.

Motion by Miss Alustin. Do I have a second?

A second.

Second by James Buster to recommend approval. public section design plans with conditions. All in favor say I.

We have discussion.

You are correct.

Sorry.

Thank you.

Would you like to discuss?

Yes, I would. Thank you, May, for for your presentation and for all the work you put into this. Um I think I heard you say y'all had been working on it since November and we got it on Friday.

Yes, ma'am. And that is not adequate time for us to or for me, I'll speak for myself, for me to review it and and feel comfortable understanding it. Um, it feels very rushed to me. Um, and because it feels rushed, it it makes me suspicious that there are details that somebody doesn't want us to notice. Um, I I feel very responsible for respecting

the current residents of the ETJ. This is a thousand acres of land. We're talking about more than a thousand that affects the ETJ. We're we're short-handed. We're missing an ETJ representative on this board. Um, the public has not had any time to look at this and respond to it. So, I'm I'm not comfortable supporting this motion.

Thank you. There any further discussion on the motion on the floor? All right. With that then um we will take a vote. Uh all in favor of the motion to

Sorry, I'm sorry. I do have question.

Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Sorry. Um, is this one of the, you know, how some of the some of the things we approve are administrative and some of them are not I don't they're kind like I don't know like maybe the preliminary plat or something like that where it's like it's baked and you just we just have to give the approval for it or is this something that um that we can deny or we can recommend not approving and um they go back to the drawing board. Um,

I can answer that if you would like.

I'll let you answer it.

So, you can recommend to approve, deny, table, um, make additional conditions. You you can recommend, you think, that so

um, and correct me if I'm wrong. it you can if we were to make a motion to table and it goes on I think it it's only uh one it can only be is it 60 days um it would go to the the

board of commissioners

anyway

without you've had a chance recommendation

sorry say again

be tabled until you have a recommendation I don't have anything that says that I can just push it along without you have any kind of recommendation in place.

I don't know. Is that is that correct? I think there is. We can't I we can't infinitely table it.

No, it can't be. I mean, but I think it you're supposed to have by 60 days, but you have to say what you want to do.

Okay. Okay.

And that how with the small area plan where we had the 60 days, the 60-day time clock and all that sort of stuff,

right?

You're not tied to the same clock as the small area. house that's over.

Okay.

Yeah.

And I know you guys have some some fallbacks of you know, but I do feel that the town may worked really hard and there I don't think they would be sending us something that that really should be denied that they just left out. Yeah, we got it late and I do understand that, but I do feel like they have put their time in and they're just not going to let us throw something at us that is not appropriate to be done. But I but I do understand Conniey's point about not having adequate time to review and adequate time for the public to make comments because there are so many things that like I'm not an expert on at all and I you know it's not like my interest area and so you know I don't know how much time anybody has had a chance to review that all that sort of thing. So I get I get Conniey's point.

Um but I also understand your point in terms of like you know every you've been working on it since November. That's quite a amount of manhour put in there. Um but but I but you know the the whole point of having a public process is to give the public a chance to review and make comments and and and

and ask questions and so so it does you know so I could you know it makes sense that it's like wait a minute we just got this on Friday you know. So

well let me ask this. I mean, if we go ahead and approve this, will the public have an opportunity to comment prior to us reviewing the plat?

Yes. And actually, the two weeks goes to the BOC as well. There's the it actually gets put up for comment, but that two weeks going to BOC after this.

And then in addition, whenever that preliminary platform comes through, you'll get comment time on that as well. I mean, technically they could have commented tonight, but they only saw it on Friday, too. So, I mean,

how would they know what to say?

Yeah.

And then talking about some options. I mean, previously, I think we had an emergency meeting halfway through a cycle. We met two weeks later and discussed something. I don't remember if we did that or we I just imagined we were going to do it, but we talked about doing that at one point. I think

I think we did right on I think

you're talking about the working session with

Yeah. Yeah. Where we didn't feel like we had enough time so we met two weeks later and we could vote there. So that would be an option. Um we could you know vote without needing another presentation and a discussion. We could ask questions offline potentially. No,

that needs public format

that if you did it two weeks later, it would not go in the BC because we wouldn't have the time to go through everything and prepare everything for BC. So, there is that too.

And to Allen's point, there is a chance for public comment before the BC and potentially after

because it has to be enough. Should we blend the public comment or it can't go? Yeah, I think Yeah, I think I'm good to go. I don't have any more questions.

Okay. And this is we have a motion on the floor. We do have to

put on if if either way it goes, we can

can reconsider.

Exactly.

Um, so the mo the motion on the floor is to recommend approval of the section design plans with conditions. Um if uh on all in favor of that motion I

I raise your hands.

Sorry.

Okay.

Thank you.

Um all opposed that motion please raise your hands.

Thank you. So we have uh 4 to two. Um the recommended approval passes. Thank you. May do we have we have you again for the uh our next item? No.

Oh no no no.

Oh no. Uh okay. Um so item number 9.2 preliminary plat request PB 25606 Roberts run

again for the final time

evening.

Um this is major subdivision preliminary plat 25606 with Robert that's his habitat for humanity project. Um the applicant Chadam Habitat for Humanity is requesting a major subdivision preliminary plat for proposed 72 residential units. Um the proposed development is subject to the standards of the R10 zoning district and all other requirements and within the tax unified development. The developments project area is approximately 25.91 acres with proposed

gross density of 2.8 a flooding as per the proposed development in site is located um on IV Taylor Road as well as Robert Street. So the U and connects to Robert Street um and it's south of East Street and it's northern roads. The existing use on site is is vacant and the proposed use includes all town homes and the development is consistent with the traditional neighborhood infill um land use map designation. The applicant is proposing 72 town homes. Like I said a little bit earlier, uh the smallest lot size proposed is 1980 ft and the average lot size is is around 2548 square ft. 2548 square feet sorry. Um and the additional uh proposed development standards as well as the dimensional and intensity standards is in a table starting on page two of the time report and this includes like the minimum law area lot width and setbacks proposed as is consistent with the R10 dimensional standards and this major subdivision planning plat requirements. The development will have sewer and water uh from Tri River Water and Tri River will approve the utility plans during the construction drawing phase um of development and hydrant locations will be reviewed by the fire and the town for final approval. Also during this construction moment phase development is proposing a riparian buffer along creek along the south of the project for the UDO and perimeter buffers were not required adjacent to the riparian buffer or to the single family properties in the north because these are also single family residences. Um the subdivision is proposing access

from IE Taylor and Robert Street. Uh the pro the project will propose or will provide a 10 10 foot multi-use path within a 30-foot ement to connect to a future town constructed greenway trail at a later date. Um there are five foot in sidewalks on both sides of the internal streets and preliminary site street designs have been reviewed by the town. Um the fire marshall also reviewed these street designs for the fire apparatus access road standards and the development services department and fire marshall will also be reviewing all the preliminary improvements and issuing final approval during this meeting's middle process to conclude this was the Roberts run major division preliminary plan uh it's consistent with the town use plan and the planning staff needs approval of PB256 606 from major subdivisionary. I'm happy to answer any questions. I believe the applicant is also here if you would like to um ask any questions as well.

You just said that the it would connect with the greenway trail at a later date. Any any more detail about when that might be or

don't have any detail. That's for uh town person as well to decide when the green is constructed. But the um this will be constructed by the developer. Thanks. Thank you.

Yeah.

This is the trail that goes from Robson Creek Trail will continue on to Lorax Lane and on to eventually channel Park.

Yes, I believe so.

That's correct. Yes. You going to entertain a motion?

Sorry, I was more closely looking at this open space plan. um wasn't positive on the uh which side was being dedicated to the pound, but it's right there. Um so yes, if uh if there are no further questions, then uh take a uh motion Okay. I recommend I recommend a motion to recommend approval of the subject major subdivision preliminary PL.

I'll second that.

All right. Motion by Miss Pard, second by Miss Al. Uh, all in favor say I. I. Um, all opposed say I. unanimous.

Thank you.

All right, we will um move on to our board comment period. Uh does anybody have anything that they would like to like to share?

I just I didn't get a lot of time I had spent all my time on to kind of what Connie was saying earlier. I sp all my time on, you know, certain portions of the of tonight. Had no time for the last portion. It just three days is just not enough. I appreciate the fact that we need to do this, but we need more time to to look. I mean, tonight was a big night, especially with um it just we just need more time. I mean, I can't see us me doing that again, frankly, where I only have three days with that much stuff to consume the weekend. So,

there's a lot of reading, a lot going

on.

I didn't really get the last one to be honest, right?

So, I'm trusting that the staff is making a good recommendation that you all have had a chance and it's a good recommendation, but it's a lot.

Okay.

Um,

just need I don't know at least a week.

Yeah.

Two weekends maybe.

Right.

Otherwise, I don't know if we should have it on the agenda, you know.

we could approve it for that much. Yeah,

that's a fair fair point. Um, I don't know if is there what what's our what's our cut off for whether something makes the agenda or not

for the box for the EV

for so for the meeting because I know I know that it was delayed because there were modifications to it. where where's our cut off for making modifications and if if they need to make modifications and it needs to be pulled from the agenda for that we have to have some sort of timeline for that right

so it was a week and a half before and that's when everything was initially prepared and it was like a day after completion of a date

but the changes came after they were significant I had to rewrite sections of the staff working

okay so I I guess what I'm saying is at What point what point do we say all right this is being pulled from the agenda and it will be on next month. Um and where where would that line be or do we need to set that line?

Okay.

We were not aiming to get past it. It came past our deadline.

Right. I think like you know if it's a change in the EDO that you're making that's pretty administrative then that's one thing you know but if it's a large meeting I think it we need I think we need two weekends to look at it at least is my opinion

especially as it relates to Chattam Park issues because it just feels like there's a lot of um there's a lot of

detail that you know again I'm not a subject matter expert on a lot of this stuff and I don't have any idea, you know, some some parts of it and it would be nice to just even, you know, put my finger to the wind a little bit to understand what's going on and what

Yeah.

people are thinking,

you know, a lot of folks travel to get here to present. So, I wanted to be and we wanted to listen to that and everything. It's hard to but yeah.

So, I will make one note. Um, some of the things get maybe larger this at some point. So if you need to table it for other time periods, you have that ability because you may not have may not be enough. So

and and you're right there there is I some of that falls on us. We we absolutely if we felt we needed to we could have tabled it. Um it's that's not entirely on staff at that point.

Right.

Um I don't want to I I I don't you know say hey why didn't we

even if you had a whole week and two weekends you can still

Right. Right.

Well, because we may hear something in the public comment section that would then cause us to to pause and

and I think the only other complaint I mean not complaint but the only other worry bubble I have is just um it's a lot of conditions like conditions upon a conditions upon conditions you know and and I don't know if that's normal um but it doesn't seem seem like we have so much conditional, you know, like this is approved with conditions with other with other property or with other requests. So,

size of this project.

I was going to say

to be to be fair, I don't know that much of of anything with this project has been normal. It it's it's an extraordinary project I think for I mean, not just for us, but on a much larger scale. So, uh, you know, it's

something to, uh, pay attention to, for sure.

I mean, that's all the more reason that we should slow down and make sure we get it right because it is so unusual.

Yeah.

All right. Um, there's nothing nothing else uh you'd like to address, then I'll take a motion tojourn.

Motion by Miss Olston. Do I have a second?

Second.

Second by Wilson. Uh, all in favor say I.

I.